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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 30, 2008 2:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Best quote in a review...

"Bobby said it best "they can do whatever they want with these shows when we're done with it".

Actually, Jerry said that, I believe Bobby said, "Let them eat cake..."

dstanme

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jan 30, 2008 5:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best quote in a review...

I dunno what's up with file-sharing around here, exactly. That's what we're doing here with "our computers." Right? I'm not a lawyer or a thief. And, I'm not reading reams of Grateful Dead histories, bio's, or Gans books... or researching archive dot org and e-tree.

I just know about my experience around here over the past 14 months. I can't really enjoy myself comfortably with you all on here because I'm not allowed to tell you how to save streaming GD SBDs onto your hard drives -- even though every time you stream them and listen to them -- they're already cached on your hard drive. Go figure! I was censored on here for describing this. I am very, very unimpressed when I see so many nice folks visiting around here and bleeding all over my computer screen, unable to save their favorites. Everyone visiting around here is a music lover, music collector, and an enthusiastic, music-sharing die-hard like me. Probably lots of musicians here learning stuff and getting musically inclined and inspired.

3-gauge Instrument Panel displays Giga-Bytes in the cockpit

Azureus --- ZtreeWin --- Right-Click

Fly by wire with Opera


Clandestine Typing Service

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Poster: glenn Date: Jan 30, 2008 6:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best quote in a review...

If you are looking for something you can't find, just post what it is you are looking for, and your contact info and I bet you can get it.

We've been sharing dead music since before the internet even existed. Sometimes the old ways are the best.

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Poster: Kryssy Fields Date: Jan 30, 2008 3:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best quote in a review...

I think bobby is still trying to pay-off a Coke debt from the '70s and 80's.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jan 30, 2008 4:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best quote in a review...

My thoughts again. I have no problems with them yanking the boards. I feel it's their's not mine. They kept costs of tix down, they allowed people to tape shows and most importantly, out of their own pocket, they created GDTS that allowed me and most of us a chance to actually get in and see them. HOWEVER, the way it was handled was weak. Let's face it, they were a bunch of babies who had a tough decision to make and none of them had the stones to do. In the year 2005 with a vast public relations team behind them you mean to tell me not one of them could have posted a message on their websites or the GD website stating their views? The backlash was so bad they had to scramble after the fact to do something. Look, there are going to be folks who hate the decision to yank the boards and they always feel that way, but I do feel many folks would have a better opinion of them had the been men from the beginning.

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Jan 30, 2008 8:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best quote in a review...

oh, come on. face it. the dead don't sell records. never have, never will. the boards oughtta be free because the general public won't buy them anyhow. shit, the general music buying public wouldn't want them for free either. why not let people who can actually appreciate the dead's music have it free? it's happening everywhere else anyhow, why should lma be different?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 31, 2008 7:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Just to make sure...

Just wanted everyone to know that though it was interesting to kick this around again, thoughtfully, by and large as done above, I really just found the review by dstanme damn funny in the context of someone in the review section misquoting Bob (at least I always heard that attributed to Jerry) and then offering his own take on Bob...

Regardless of how tired you are of this whole discussion, that line was a great one...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 31, 2008 8:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Just to make sure...

Agreed. I thought the review comment was funny. Hell, I got lambasted once for posting a comment about Bob wanting his kids to pay him for reading bedtime stories (joke 'em if they can't take a fuck).

Meant to reply earlier to WT, but I don't really get too worked up over what the boys decided to do, when, how, etc. as the music is readily available. I don't put much stock in Jerry's comment about when we're done with it you can have it as my shoeboxes of tapes from trading back in the day bear little relevance to sites such as this, gdlive, etc, where the multitudes could/can grab a soundboard with little effort. At least with trading/b&p the community sense of things was stronger - I tend to miss that and still get a kick out of throwing a CASSETTE in a WALKMAN when I walk the dog at night. I just don't understand supposedly "kind" heads directing so much venom at Weir as if he is the only one accountable for certain decisions. That's why I posted the Phil comment (whose attorney re digital rights and other stuff I happen to know (one of the organizers of Watkins Glen btw) and who has "counselled" Phil on this issue) - if Phil supports Bob, I think he tends to have more of an insight than someone crying over "yanked" boards (which one can still get w/ minimal effort). When it's all said and done, the music is still flowing and will continue to do so. For that, I'm thankful.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 31, 2008 9:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Just to make sure...

Absolutely. Clearly they struggled with some aspects of this new age of technology, and how it transformed availability, etc., etc., etc., and in the end are only human (maybe moreso) like we are, but when you get down to it, we have such a wealth of material available all you can do is be damn thankful they were so attentive to recording the 30 yr trip as it unfolded. In many ways the folks we owe the most to are the crew members that devoted so much effort to that, along with the die hard tapers, and now the die head fine tuners, such as C Miller, that continue to improve on this gold mine.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jan 30, 2008 3:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best quote in a review...

quote by VLB>Otherone


"Ozzhead, what happened with the downloads is that Bobby fucking Wier is the greediest of the band members, and he decided that until he's dead (and can receive no more royalties) no Dead-taped audio can be downloaded for free. Hey Bobby! Remember Woodstock? Remember the reason that the revolution was started? Money makes you a dick!"

from a review of Grateful Dead at Woodstock

what the hell happened to
gd live dot com?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 30, 2008 3:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best quote in a review...

Phil Lesh
***1/5/06***
I had two conversations with Cameron Sears, our CEO at GDP, regarding Archive, starting when our material first showed up there. I told Cameron that I was fine having the audience tapes up there, but that he should talk to everyone, including Bob Hunter and John Barlow, regarding the soundboards. A year later when I had not heard anything about the boards, I mentioned to Cameron that I felt by not doing anything we were making a decision about the boards and that I was fine with that. Again I urged him to talk to everyone. I was caught by complete surprise when, right before Thanksgiving, the recordings were pulled. I feel that Bobby was not updated properly and unfairly took most of the heat. A lot of our business disagreements are the result of poor communication from advisors. Bobby is my brother and I love him unconditionally; he is a very generous man, and was unfairly judged regarding the Archive issue. -Philzone

http://deadnews.blogspot.com/2006/01/archive-quotes.html

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 30, 2008 4:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best quote in a review...

Hey BD--I have always found Phil's comments a bit cryptic. At times he has seemed to endorse the oft commented on view of Jerry (ie, "it's all good" do with it as you will, etc., etc.). In this quote, he implies that he (Phil) was cool with Auds, but not necessarily SBDs. And that Bobby was unfairly characterized. But, from what I read of Bob, he was clearly on the other side of the issue from at least some of Phil's other public stances, and the interpretation of Jerry's will, etc., etc.

I make no judgment as to which is correct, and in no way want to start up the old discussion as to what is "right" or "wrong" about either side, BUT I am just curious as to your take on whether you think Phil changed, or was originally misinterpreted, or what...?

If you have thought about it to that extent...

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 30, 2008 4:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best quote in a review...

If anybody is having trouble finding more than they need, raise your hand.

Personally, the cup runneth over.

All that has happened since 11/05, has made Bob and Phil look extremely gracious. I am certain that they know about most of our hang-outs. They embrace our enthusiasm by looking the other way. For that, I say thanks.

We will continue to spread the music and feed the fire.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 31, 2008 5:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best quote in a review...

"If anybody is having trouble finding more than they need, raise your hand."

Amen. Back in the day, we were always on the lookout for new and better sources, but we were also grateful for what we had. Seems like the majority feeling now is that we are "owed" as many shows as we can download (for free, of course). I think we appreciated the music more in the pre digital days. In most cases you knew every nook and cranny, every botched note and blown lyric, of every show you had. Now it just seems more a question of quantity, and of how quickly shows can be gobbled. How much is enough?

Not that I'm not guilty of this very behavior, mind you. But some time back I really scaled back on my downloading as I became aware of how many shows I was accumulating that were definately not getting the proper attention from my ears. What's point, for example, of scooping up this MSG run from '87 when I've still got this whole week of '78 that I haven't even listened to yet?

My two cents.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 30, 2008 5:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best quote in a review...

My view too...at least for Phil; I don't read enough about Bob to know for sure, but certainly agree with your take on it in spirit.

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